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Dennis Erectus	Storage - Food and Basic Goods	Lead	[-]
Member Posts: 13371 Jul 1 11 3:42 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I prefer to store what I eat and keep a supply of foods that I will eat if times get tough. I have lived off my food storage when when I was unemployed for months at a time. In my business I work as a contract geologist in the "boom-bust" cyclic metals mining and petroleum sectors. So I have to plan ahead to survive. Short and Intermediate Term Food Storage I suggest buying items you actually eat in order to have a varied diet of foods you like in order to prevent diet fatigue. You will tire of eating the same thing over and over again. I know, my college diet was Ramen noodles that I would try to spice up and toss in a few veggies and scraps of meat for flavor. Long Term Food Storage Upper Shelves Lower Shelves And closets (note the two Big Berkey water filtration units in the boxes) I loaded one set of shelves with cases of Mountain House freeze-dried and cases of spices, canned Red Feather butter and canned Red Feather cheese. I have a few buckets of grains and will pick up a few "Gamma Lids" later. The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not the mineral rights!
Dennis Erectus	Where to buy food storage?	#1	[-]
Member Posts: 13371 Jul 1 11 3:50 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Some will buy case lots at Costco, Sam's or some membership Warehouse type store. Some regions in the US you will find long term storage foods sold in local stores and local Surplus Stores. In the western states this is more common (especially where there are dense Mormon populations). Speaking of which, the Mormon (LDS) church canneries are another source but each one has there own rules - some require being accompanied by a church member and others don't allow non-members. They do sell online through their site Provident Living. I traveled to Idaho and found the mindset clearly focussed on preparation and survival. In fact I went to a couple of "Preparedness" stores and saw that even Walmart is getting in on the action. I found a "Preparedness Center" at the local Walmart.It may be because of the fairly large LDS (Mormon) population in the area, however, it is interesting since "Preppers" and "Survivalists" outside the Rocky Mountain states probably often don't see this in the Walmart stores in their areas. There are buckets of grains, canned goods, freeze-dried food items and blue water drums. Walmart isn't the only store I visited in my quest to stock up. I stopped into the local "Army Surplus" store and it was like a kid in a candy store. So much I wanted but focussed mostly on my prep needs. More Meals Ready to Eat (MRE) were on display as were the blue water drums. I bought six 55-gallon drums for one of my alternative E&E sites. I passed on the MREs as I personally prefer the freeze-dried foods with the indefinite shelf life. Next I went to Home Depot and got some shelve units that I set up and started to load with food and survival gear. The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not the mineral rights!
Hadrian		#2	[-]
Member Posts: 69 Jul 16 11 11:47 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Black Blade...Is the Red Feather can butter worth the money, and how long does it store for? Thanks so much. I have been buying from the lds wheat, rice , oats and beans for 30 year storage basics. Their prices are super cheap and offer free shipping. However, I now need to add other items as well.
Black Blade.downstreamventures	Red Feather Butter	#3	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Jul 26 11 4:50 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Hadrian wrote: Black Blade...Is the Red Feather can butter worth the money, and how long does it store for? Thanks so much. I have been buying from the lds wheat, rice , oats and beans for 30 year storage basics. Their prices are super cheap and offer free shipping. However, I now need to add other items as well. I finally took a break from my Paleo-diet and opened a six-year-old can from my preps and it's still very good. It is a light yellow color and tastes like regular butter. The original brand Bego is used in Australia by those living in the interior (Outback). Supposedly it lasts years and some claim that it has an indefinite shelf life. I also tried a can Red Feather Cheese. I prefer sharp cheddar or strong cheeses so this wasn't bad at all. It is like sharp white cheddar. It made for decent grilled sandwiches although it didn't want to melt like fresh processed cheese. As for if it's worth it, that depends. I wanted some fats and oils that would store indefinitely and the closest I could find was canned butter and cheeses. Vegetable oils go rancid rather quick and I wanted to add something I could mix in with my freeze-dried meals to add texture and flavor. I got a few cases of Red Feather butter and cheese and also couple cases of dried spices from Royal Castle (http://store.prepared.pro/) as I have been a member for a few years. They used to have discounts on Mountain House freeze-dried for members but that has been discontinued - the discounts remain on other items. They also have other food storage items like canned meats and even canned breads (which I may also add). I will have to see what I can line up with my baby brother and his family as they are LDS and have a cannery near them. - Black Blade
Black Blade.downstreamventures	Long Term Food Storage	#4	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Jul 26 11 5:09 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Storing grains in buckets.� � Decent "how to" storage videos.
Hadrian		#5	[-]
Member Posts: 69 Jul 27 11 9:54 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Thanks Black Blade for the review. I have been wanting to add some butter and cheese as well, but was uncertain and because the price is a little high. But, in a few years, it will seem cheap if bought now. Appreciate all you work here. best regards Hadrian
Black Blade.downstreamventures	Prepper Dilbert	#6	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Aug 1 11 8:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts
Dennis Erectus	Rich Dad and Advisors Discuss Prepping	#7	[-]
Member Posts: 13371 Aug 16 11 5:00 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Rich Dad "Robert Kiyosaki" and his entire adviser team discuss how they have prepared for the coming depression: - Year's supply of food - Guns - Gold & silver - Cash on hand They speak of the coming depression (inflationary or not it's going to happen), shutting down the credit card system, and higher taxes no matter what. Budget-cutting police forces promotes lawnessness. What scares me now is these are not some local yocals on youtube speaking their wacky thoughts. Instead, these are calm, straight speaking, successful businessesmen in the know, telling us what they have done. We should take notice. They are prepared. The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not the mineral rights!
Black Blade.downstreamventures	Be Prepared: 6 Foods to Store Forever	#8	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Oct 30 11 12:22 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Be Prepared: 6 Foods to Store Forever Posted on Pakalert on October 13, 2011 Anthony Gucciardi Activist Post In the event of a global food crisis, it is vital to be prepared. The key to preparedness is storing food that is easy to get a hold of, will last for several years or even decades, and is somewhat nutrient-dense. While it is always important to purchase high quality organic foods, in the event of a food crisis it is often essential to exercise your survival skills, which may mean it is hard to come across optimal food sources. 1. Be prepared with rice When storing food for a global food crisis, rice is perfect as it adheres to the essential principals of food storage. White, jasmine, wild, arborio, and basmati rice all have an almost indefinite shelf life. Rice is considered by many to be the ultimate survivalist food to stockpile in order to be prepared for a food crisis. Brown rice, while a healthier alternative to white, has a shorter lifespan. Due to the higher oil content of the food, it will go bad faster. 2. Survive the food crisis with distilled white vinegar White vinegar is a popular choice for salad dressings and marinades. With a long shelf life that makes it a perfect for food preparedness, distilled white vinegar will maintain its quality and taste for about as the entirety of its lifespan. Be prepared with distilled white vinegar. 3. Enhance your survival skills with sea salt Sea salt is the ‘real’ form of traditional table salt, sodium chloride. It is the ideal choice over its unhealthy counterpart, but in the event of a food crisis sodium chloride can also do the job. It is better to be prepared with sodium chloride than to not have anything at all. Salt is a powerful flavor enhancer that will never go bad. It can also be used to cure meats, which is a great way to maintain the integrity of stored meats. 4. Honey Honey has such a long shelf life that it has even been recovered from Egyptian tombs. While it can change color and crystallize over time, its edibility does not change. You can even restore crystallized honey by adding warm water and stirring. In its raw form, honey is also full of enzymes and essential nutrients. 5. Cornstarch, the everlasting food ingredient for a food crisis Cornstarch is a food substance that has a variety of uses. Helpful in thickening gravies, sauces, or soups, cornstarch is a food crisis necessity that will help you be prepared. It is important to note that while all of these ingredients will have an increased lifespan when kept in a cool, dry space, cornstarch will particularly be affected. 6. Pure vanilla extract Pure vanilla extract, different from its imitation counterpart vanilla extract, will last forever. The extra cost over its imitation is only minor compared to the elongated shelf life of pure vanilla extract. Honing your survival skills will help you to be prepared if a food crisis is to ever strike the nation, or even the globe. Stocking up on these key foods will ensure that you and your family will not go hungry if such an event is to unfold. Even more impressive is the fact that these ingredients can be easily purchased at local grocery stores, making them convenient yet potent. Storing food for a global food crisis may not be the first thing on your mind right now, but it is certainly great to know in the case of any food crisis. Although survival skills are not nearly as necessary in today’s society due to great advancements, having them could one day positively effect your life greatly. Please visit Natural Society for more great health news and vaccine information. http://www.pakalertpress....-foods-to-store-forever/ Black Blade: You can almost survive on rice alone as long as you had various flavorings to keep it somewhat interesting. Honey will last forever and a couple 5-gallon buckets are essential in any home food storage.
Black Blade.downstreamventures	Organize and Rotate your Food Supplies	#9	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Nov 6 11 7:29 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Organize and Rotate your Food Supplies Posted on truther on November 5, 2011 Until recently, I thought we were organized with our food storage and rotation. I discovered that there is room for improvement! We’ve been going through and packing all of our ‘stuff’ during the past month as we get ready to move to another area. We’re not on a schedule so we have been going through all of our accumulated stuff in a methodical way rather than throwing everything in boxes and shoving off. We’ve managed to weed out alot of items that we really don’t use or need anymore and have donated or sold some of it. The big surprise though (other than the realization of how much we all accumulate over time) was finding stashes of food that we had forgotten about, which was well beyond expiration. Many years ago we had slowly started to accumulate some extra food, because we live in earthquake country (although not for much longer…). We happen to live very near one of the big faults that they expect to let-loose… they keep on saying that the ‘big one’ will happen within 30 years, the same thing that they were saying when we moved here 14 years ago. One thing I know is, the clock is ticking. Anyway, as beginners years ago, we bought lots of various foods and started storing them in various places. Some in bins, boxes, and shelves in the shed, some on shelves in the pantry, etc. One of the problems we discovered while recently packing is that we lost track of all that we had, and where it all was stored. We came across several bins and boxes of old food. Oops… While we looked through the old foods, we discovered that the foods we bought those years ago were not the smartest purchases. We didn’t necessarily buy the foods that we normally eat. Not only that, but we bought too many of some items and we should’ve known that we wouldn’t eat that much of this or that. Nowadays we know the saying, “Store what you eat, and eat what you store”. As a general rule, you shouldn’t buy food that you don’t normally eat (there are exceptions). I do believe that if all your food storage is visible, it will be a much less wasteful system than having foods stored in boxes and bins that you lose track of. Some people are better disciplined than others with maintaining lists, and may be perfectly fine with having foods tucked away here and there, but I’ll bet that most folks aren’t that disciplined, and need to ‘see’ what they have. If you see what you have on the shelves, then you are less likely to buy too much of this or that, and are more likely to be able to rotate your foods such that you eat the oldest first and keep it going in order so nothing spoils over time. So, hopefully some of you will learn from our own mistakes. Try not to hide away storage foods such that you may forget about it or forget exactly what you have and when you stored it or when it will expire (there are exceptions). Source Black Blade: One way to keep inventory is to constantly rotate and log our items in a spreadsheet in excel. Other items in my inventory like freeze-dried have no expiration date and will last forever. Even "expiration dates" on canned goods are meaningless as most every such item is good for years. Expiration dates are only for marketing reasons and is a ploy to get people to throw out older food stuffs and buy newer.
Dennis Erectus	Foods outlasting shelf life vary:	#10	[-]
Member Posts: 13371 Nov 25 11 11:12 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Foods outlasting shelf life vary: Some foods just won't exceed the shellfire, like brown rice. You're really lucky if you keep it longer without it going rancid. Some foods hardly even need a shelf life, like wheat. If the wheat from the pyramids is not only still good; but also given us crops lost for millennia, I'm convinced that my wheat is going to be fine no matter how long I store it, as long as I store it properly. The shelf life of evaporated milk (as with most foods) varies with the fat content. According to Carnation, this has to do with the stability of the milk proteins and their expected performance in the recipes people use them for. They still have nutrition past the expected shelf life, but will fail performance tests in cakes, etc. The skimmed and low fat versions will also darken faster. Shelf life data provided: Shelf life data below gives specific foods and average shelf life assuming optimum storage conditions. Foods kept at lower temperatures extend their shelf life. Shelf life of Food Items * NOTE: Shelf life info from various sources. Conflicts are researched through multiple resources. Baby Food, canned - 12 months Baking Powder - 18 months (unopened) Baking Soda - 18-24 months Beans, Adzuki - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Blackeye - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Black Turtle - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Dried - 12-24 months ( in their original container) Beans, Dried - indefinitely (resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Beans, can, Baked, Bush - 24-36 months 1-423-509-2361 Beans, can, Black, Progresso - 24 months 1-800-200-9377 Beans, can, Bush Beans Brand - 26 months Beans, Garbanzo - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Great Northern - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Kidney - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Mung Beans - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Pink - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Pinto - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Refried - 5 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Small Red - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Beans, Soy - 8-10 years (at 70 degrees F.) Bouillon - 24 months (Keep dry and covered) Bouillon (Cubes) - 24 months Bouillon (Granules) - 12 months Bouillon, Herb Ox - 24 months Bouillon, Tone - 24 months Bread, Crackers - 3 months Bread, Crackers, Saltines - 8 months Bread, Crackers, Ritz - 8 months Bread, Crackers, Whole-wheat - 48 months Bread, Crumbs, dried - 6 months (Store dry and covered) Bread, fresh, store-bought (original container @ 70° F. basement) - 5 days Bread, frozen, store-bought (original container @ 0° F. freezer) - 6 months Bread, Mix, Biscuit Mixes (most) - 9 months Bread, Mix, Biscuit Mix, Krusteaze, any flavor except mix for bread machines - 24 months Bread, Mix, Hot-roll mix -18 months (If opened, store in airtight) container Bread, Rolls (commercial) - 3-5 days (frozen 2-3 months) Homemade breads may have shorter shelf life due to lack of preservatives. Bread, Tortillas, Corn - 1-2 weeks (refrigerated 2 weeks) May be frozen Bread, Tortillas, Flour - 1-2 weeks (refrigerated 2 weeks) May be frozen Bread, wheat, homemade (polyethelene bag @ 70° F. basement) - 3 days Bread, white, homemade (polyethelene bag @ 70° F. basement) - 5 days Butter, dehydrated - 5-8 years Butter (refrigerated) - 1-2 weeks (frozen 6-9 months) Wrap or cover tightly. Buttermilk Powder - 24-36 months Buttermilk (refrigerated) - 10-14 days Cover tightly. Flavor not affected if buttermilk separates. Cake Mix (most) - 9-12 months Cake Mix, Angel Food - 9 months Cake Mix, Betty Crocker - 8-12 months Cake Mix, Jiffy - 24 months Cake Mix, Pillsbury - 18 months Candy, hard - 24 months Casseroles, mix - 9-12 months (Keep cool and dry) Cereals, cooked - 6 months Cereal, Corn, dry Ready-to-eat - 12 months Cereal, Cream of Wheat - 12 months Cereal, Hominy Grits - 12 months Cereal, Oatmeal – 12 months Cereal, Processed (in a Box) - 6-12 months Cereal (Publix) - 12-18 months 1-800-242-1227 Cereal, Quinoa Cereal - 1-3 months Cereals, Ready-to-cook, oatmeal, etc. - 12 months Cereals, Ready-to-eat (unopened) - 6-12 months (opened 2-3 months) Cereals, ready-to-eat (opened) - 2-3 months (Refold package tightly) Cereal, Rice cereal, dry Ready-to-eat - 12 months Cereal, Wheat, shredded, dry Ready-to-eat - 12 months Cheese, Brick (Hard and wax coated) (opened/refrigerated) - 2 months Cheese, Brick (Hard and wax coated) (unopened/refrigerated) - 3-6 months (frozen 6 months) Cheese, Cheddar (Hard and wax coated) (opened/refrigerated) - 2 months Cheese, Cheddar (Hard and wax coated) (unopened/refrigerated) - 3-6 months (frozen 6 months) Cheese, Cottage cheese (original container @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 10-15 days Cheese, Cream cheese (original container @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 21 days Cheese, Cream, Neufchatel (refrigerated) - 4 weeks Cheese, dehydrated - 5-8 years Cheese, Dry cheeses (original container @ 60 - 70° F. basement) - 3 months Cheese, Edam (Hard and wax coated) (opened/refrigerated) - 2 months Cheese, Edam (Hard and wax coated) (unopened/refrigerated) - 3-6 months (frozen 6 months) Cheese, Gouda (Hard and wax coated) (opened/refrigerated) - 2 months Cheese, Gouda (Hard and wax coated) (unopened/refrigerated) - 3-6 months (frozen 6 months) Cheese, natural (vacuum package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 6 months Cheese, Parmesan, grated - 12 months Cheese, Parmesan, Romano (opened/refrigerated) - 2-4 months Cheese, Parmesan, Romano (unopened) - 10 months Cheese, processed (vacuum package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 8 months Cheese, Powdered - 36 months Cheese, Processed Cheese Products (refrigerated) - 3-4 weeks (frozen 4 months) Cheese, Ricotta (refrigerated) - 5 days Cheese spreads/dips (original container @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 21 days Cheese, Swiss (Hard and wax coated) (opened/refrigerated) - 2 months Cheese, Swiss (Hard and wax coated) (unopened/refrigerated) - 3-6 months (frozen 6 months) Chocolate ( An Import ) - 12 months Chocolate, Hot Cocoa Mix, Nestles (Individually Wrapped) - 24 months Chocolate, Nestles Quick - 24 months Chocolate, Premelted - 12 months Keep cool. Chocolate, Semi-sweet - 18-24 months Keep cool. Chocolate syrup, (unopened) - 2 years Chocolate syrup, (opened) - 6 months (Refrigerate) Chocolate, Unsweetened - 18 months Keep cool. Chocolate syrup (opened) - 6 months Chocolate syrup (unopened) - 24 months Cocoa - 5 years (in Mylar pouch) Cocoa mixes - 8 months Condiments, Catsup - 12-24 months Condiments, Mustard, prepared yellow (opened) - 6-8 months Condiments, Mustard, prepared yellow (unopened) - 24 months Condiments, Mustard, French's (Jar) - 18 months Condiments, Mustard, French's (squeeze bottle) - 12 months Cookie Mix, Basic - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Corn Meal - 6-18 months (Keep tightly closed. Refrigeration may prolong shelf life.) Corn Starch - 18 months Corn Starch, Argo - 24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Cream, Half and Half, Light and Heavy (refrigerated) - 7-10 days (frozen 2 months) Cream, ultra pasteurized (unopened/refrigerated) - 21-30 days Cream, Sour (refrigerated) - 2 weeks Cream, Sour, Dips, commercial (refrigerated) - 2 weeks Creamer, non-dairy, Creamora - 24 months Creamer, Non-Dairy - 9-36 months Drink Mix, Country Time Lemonade - 24 months Drink Mix, Crystal Light - 24 months Drink Mix, Fruit, powdered - 10 years (in Mylar pouch) Drink Mix, Orange - 10+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Drink Mix, powdered, Kool Aid, Kraft Foods - 18-24 months 1-800-543-5335 Drink Mix, Tang - 24 months Eggs, dehydrated or freeze-dried powdered - 5-8 years Eggs, fresh (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 120 days Eggs, pickled - 1-12 months (cool storage is recommended) Eggs, powdered - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Eggs, processed (original package @ 70° F. cool basement) - 15 months Extracts; i.e. Vanilla - 18 months Flour, Rice flour – 1-2 months Flour, White - 6-9 months (some sources say up to 5 years) Flour, White enriched - 12 months Flour, White - 5 years (in Mylar pouch) Flour, Whole-wheat - 6-9 months (some sources say up to 5 years) Flour, whole wheat graham - 2 weeks Frosting, canned (opened) - 3 months (Refrigerate) Frosting Mix - 8-9 months Fruit, Apples (can), Comstock - 24-36 months 1-800-270-2743 Fruit, Apples, fresh (separated in boxes @ 32° F. mod. moist cellar) - 6 months Fruit, Apple Chips, dried - 8+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Fruit, Apple Slices, Dried - 24 months [8 years (in Mylar pouch)] Fruit, Applesauce, Motts - 12 months Fruit, Bananas - 2-3 days (until ripened, then refrigerate) Fruit, Banana, Dried Chips - 8 months Fruit, Bananas, fresh (ventilated container @ 60 - 70° F. basement) - 1 week Fruit, Berries, fresh (ventilated container @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 1-2 weeks Fruit, Canned - 12-24 months (in the original container at 70 degrees F. in a dry basement) Fruit, Canned fruits (original container @ 70° F. dry basement) - 2 years Fruit, can, Del Monte - 18-26 months Fruit, can, Comstock - 18-26 months Fruit, can, Libby's - 36 months+ 1-888-884-7269 Fruit, Citrus fruit, fresh ventilated container @ 32°F. mode. moist cellar) - 8 weeks Fruit Cocktail, Canned - 24 months Fruit, Cherries, Bottled - 24 months Fruit, Coconut, shredded, canned or packaged - 12 months Fruits, dried - 6-12 months (Keep cool, in airtight container; if possible) Fruit, Dehydrated - 6-8 months Fruit, Dehydrated - 5 years (Hermetically sealed in the absence of oxygen at a stable temperature of 70 degrees F. - They should keep proportionately longer if stored at cooler temperatures.) Fruit, Dehydrated fruits (air/moisture proof @ 70° F. dry basement) - 8 months Fruit, Frozen fruits (original container @ 0° F. freezer) - 12 months Fruit, Jams & Jellies (original container @ 70° F. dry basement) - 18 months Fruit, Peach, canned - 24 months Fruit, Peaches, Del Monte - 24-30 months 1-800-543-3090 Fruit, Pear, canned - 24 months Fruit, Pear halves, Del Monte - 24-30 months 1-800-543-3090 Fruit, Pears, fresh (ventilated container @ 32° F. mod. moist cellar) - 4 months Fruit, Pie Fillings, Comstock - 18-26 months Fruit, Pineapple, canned - 24 months Fruit Smoothie, Del Monte - 12 months Gelatin - 18 months Gelatin Mixes – 18 months Gelatin, flavored, Jello, Kraft Foods - 24 months Grain, Barley, Whole (a soft grain) - 5-8 years (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Barley, pearled - 12 months Grain, Buckwheat (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Buckwheat (kasha) - 6-12 months Grain, Corn, Whole, dry - 2-5 years (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum-sealed in a food grade bag) Grain, Corn, Whole, dry (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Flax (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Kamut® (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Lentils - 24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Grain, Millet (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Oat Groats (a soft grain) - 8 years (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Oats - 2-5 years (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Grain, Oats, Rolled (a soft grain) - 1-8 years (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Quinoa, Whole (a soft grain) - 5-8 years (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Rice - 24-48 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Grain, Rice, brown – 1-6 months Grain, Rice, white – 24-48 months Grain, Rice, white - 4 years (in Mylar pouch) Grain, Rice, wild – 24-36 months Grain, Spelt (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Triticale (a hard grain) - 5-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Grain, Wheat, Whole (a hard grain) - 10-12 years+ (at room temperature sealed without oxygen - possibly indefinitely) Granola - 1-3 months Herb, Garlic - 5-8 months (Keep in cool, dry, ventilated area.) Herbs, ground - 6-36 months (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Herbs, whole - 12-48 months (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Herb Leaves, flowers, roots, and other herb parts - 12 months after harvesting (in cool place) Herbs, Frozen (in freezer bags) - 6 months Herbs, Green, Leafy - 12-36 months Herbs, Whole Seeds - 3-4 years Herb or Spice Extracts - 4 years Herbs, Seasoning Blends - 12-24 months Herbal Essential oils - indefinitely Herbal Extracts (Commercially prepared) - expiration date Herbal Infusions - Make fresh daily. Store in refrigerator or cool place. Herbal Decoctions - Consume within 48 hours. Store in refrigerator or cool place. Herbal tablets or capsules (Commercially prepared) - expiration date Herbal Tea (comfrey leaf or root) - 24 hours Herbal Tinctures (Alcohol based) - 2-4 years Herbal Tinctures (Vinegar based) - 12-24 months Herbal Tinctures, syrups, and essential oils - Keep for several months or years. Store in dark glass bottles in a cool environment away from sunlight. Store syrup in the refrigerator for up to 1 month. Herbal Ointments, creams, and capsules - Keep for several months. Store in dark glass jars (or plastic containers.) Honey - 12-24 months (Some sources say indefinitely. Gently heat to remove crystallization.) Honey - indefinitely (in an airtight container at room temperature) (Watch out for additives in the honey. It is possible to buy honey with water and sugar added. This honey generally doesn't crystallize like pure 100% honey does when stored for a long time. If there are additives, there is no saying how long it will last.) Hormel (all canned products) - indefinitely in original container Ice Cream (frozen) - 1-2 months Ice Milk (frozen) - 1-2 months Jams - 12-18 months Jellies - 12-18 months Juices, can - 12 months Juice, Apple, Motts - 12 months Juice, Apple (Whitehouse), Nat'l Fruit Prod. Co. - 24 months 1-800-551-5167 Juice, can, Dole - 24-36 months (800) 232-5942 Juice, Canned fruit juices (original container @ 70° F. dry basement) 24 months Juice, Dehydrated fruit juice (air/moisture proof @ 70° F. dry basement) - 12 months Juice, Frozen fruit juices (original container @ 0° F. freezer) - 12 months Juice, Fruit (canned) - 18-36 months (in a cool, dry place) Juice, Fruit, Dehydrated - 12 months Juice, Orange, Bluebird - 24 months 1-800-237-7805 Juice, Pineapple, Del Monte - 18 months Juice, Snappy Tom Cocktail Juice, Del Monte - 18 months Juice, Tomato, Del Monte - 24 months 1-800-543-3090 Ketchup (glass & plastic) - 24 months Legumes, bottled or canned - 24-36 months Marshmallows - 2-3 months Marshmallow Creme - 2-3 months Mayonnaise - 3-4 months Meat, Beef, canned (original package @ 70° F. cool basement) - 30 months Meat, Beef, canned (in chunks with natural juices) – 30 months Meat, Beef, Dried, canned - indefinitely Meat, Beef, dried (can @ 70° F. cool basement) - 18 months Meat, Beef, fresh (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 10-14 days Meat, Beef, frozen (air & moisture proof @ 0° F. freezer) - 10 months Meat, Beef, Roast, can - indefinitely (in original container) Meat, canned (most) - 12-36 months unopened (1-2 months opened, refrigerated) Meat, canned, Tyson - 36 months Meat, Chicken, canned - 12-36 months Meat, Chicken Breast, canned – 36 months Meat, Chicken Breast (can), Tyson - 36 months Meat, Chicken, canned, Tyson - 36 months Meat, Chili, canned – indefinitely Meat, Chili w/beans and without, can - indefinitely (in original container) Meat, Chili w/beans, Hormel - indefinite 1-800-523-4635 Meat, Chili, Seafood Cocktail - 24 months Meat, Fish or shellfish, canned – 12-18 months Meat, Ham, canned (shelf stable, unopened) - 24 months Meat, Ham, Country style (unsliced) - 12 months Meat, Ham Chunks, canned - indefinitely Meat, Ham, Deviled, can - indefinitely in original container Meat, Lamb, fresh (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 7-10 days Meat, Lamb, frozen (air & moisture proof @ 0° F. freezer) - 8 months Meat, Pork, cured (vacuum package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 4 weeks Meat, Pork, fresh (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 4 days Meat, Pork, frozen (air & moisture proof @ 0° F. freezer) - 4-6 months Meat, Pork, sausage (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 4 days Meat, Poultry, fresh (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 5 days Meat, Poultry, frozen (air & moisture proof @ 0° F. freezer) - 8 months Meat, Seafood, canned – 48-60 months Meat, Spam, canned - indefinitely (in original container) Meat, Spam, Hormel - Indefinite 1-800-523-4635 Meat substitutes (air & moisture proof @ 0° F. freezer) - 4 months Meat, Tuna, canned – 48-60 months Meat, Tuna, Starkist - 4-6 years 1-800-252-1587 Meat Turkey, can - 12 months Meat, Turkey and Gravy canned dinners - indefinitely in original container Meat, Veal, fresh (original package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 6 days Meat, Veal, frozen (air & moisture proof @ 0° F. freezer) - 8 months Meat, Vienna Sausage, canned – 24 months Meat, Vienna Sausage, Libby's - 24 months 1-888-884-7269 Milk Alternate, Morning Moo brand powdered - 5 years in original bag (7 years in bucket) Blue Chip Group, Inc.-Manufacturer Blue Chip Group, Inc. Home of the Morning Moo's Milk, aseptic packaging - Pkg. date Milk, Canned, Condensed - 12 months Milk, Canned, Sweetened Condensed - 24-36 months Milk, Canned, Evaporated - 12-36 months (Invert can every 2 months.) Milk, Evaporated, Publix - 18-24 months Milk, Powdered (Instant Non-fat) - 6-15 months Milk, Powdered (Nonfat dry) - 3 years (in Mylar pouch) Milk, Powdered (Non-Instant) - 24-48 months Mixes, Biscuit - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Mixes, Bread Mix, White - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Mixes, Brownie (most) - 9 months Mixes, Brownie - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Mixes, Cookie mixes - 12 months Mixes, Cornbread - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Mixes, Muffin Mix (most) - 9 months Mixes, Muffin, Blueberry - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Mixes, Muffin Mix, Krusteaze, any flavor except mix for bread machines - 24 months Mixes, Pancake Mix (most) - 6-9 months Mixes, Pancake, Buttermilk - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Mixes, Pie Crust Mix - 8 months Mixes, Sweet Roll Mix - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Molasses (opened) - 6 months Molasses (unopened) - 12-24 months Mushrooms, Freeze Dried, Tone - 24 months Mushrooms, Green Giant - 48 months Nuts (in the shell) – 24 months Nutmeats (in vacuum can) – 3 months Oils (unopened) - 18 months Store in cool place away from heat Oils (opened) - 6-8 months Store in cool place away from heat Oil (some) - indefinitely (in original container) Oil, Canola, Best Foods - 18-24 months 1-800-338-8831 Oil, Corn, Mazola (Best Foods) – 18 months from pkg. Date1-800-338-8831 Oil, Olive - 24 months Oil, Salad - 6-9 months Olives (canned, unopened) - 1-3 months Pasta - 24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Pasta, American Beauty - 36 months (in original package) Pasta, Cup-O-Noodles - 24 months Pasta, Fusilli - 8+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Pasta, Macaroni - 8 years (in Mylar pouch) Pasta, Macaroni & Cheese - 12 months Pasta Mixes – 6 months Pasta, Noodles & Sauce, Chicken Flavor, Lipton - 24 months Pasta, Noodles, Fettuccine, Montalcino - 18 months+ Pasta, Penne - 8+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Pasta & Sauce, Lipton - 12 months Pasta-Roni – Exp. Date Pasta Sauce - 24 months (unopened) (2 weeks opened, refrigerated) Pasta Sauce - Lipton 5 Brothers - 24 months Pasta Sauce (Ragu-Jar), Lipton - 24 months 1-800-328-7248 Pasta, Shells - 8+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Pasta, Spaghetti - 8 years (in Mylar pouch) Pasta, Spaghetti - 18-24 months Pasta, Spaghetti, Montalcino - 18 months+ Peanut Butter (opened) - 2-3 months Refrigeration prolongs storage time Peanut Butter (unopened) - 6-24 months Refrigeration prolongs storage time Peanut Butter (Jif), Proctor & Gamble - 24 months 1-800-543-7276 Peanut Butter, Jiffy - 24 months Peanut Butter, Skippy - 24 months Peanuts – 24-36 months Peanuts, Planter's - 24-36 months 1-800-622-4726 Pectin, Dry - 3 years Pectin, Liquid - 12-18 months Pectin, liquid (opened) - 1 month (Refrigerate) Pickles (canned, unopened) - 1-3 months Popcorn - 8+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Popcorn, both microwaveable and regular - 24 months Popcorn, whole kernels - 12-24 months Popcorn, Pops Rite - 24 months Potato chips (original container @ 70° F. basement) - 1 month Pudding Mixes – 12 months Pudding Mix, Chocolate or Vanilla - 5 years (in Mylar pouch) Ready Meals, Chicken and Dumplings, can - indefinitely in original container Ready Meals, Chicken & Dumplings, Sweet Sue - 24 months Ready Meals, Chicken & Noodles, Sweet Sue - 24 months Ready Meals, MRE (Meals Ready to Eat) – 3-10 years (stored at 80 degrees or cooler) Rice, flavored or herb mixes – 6 months Rice, Minute Rice, Kraft Foods - 18 months Rice Mixes - 6 months Rice, parboiled - 6-12 months (stored unopened in cool, dry place) Rice, White Emerald - 12 months+ Rice & Sauce, Lipton - 12 months Rice-a-Roni – Exp. Date Rye (a soft grain) - 5-8 years (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Salad dressings, bottled (unopened) - 10-12 months (Store on shelf) Salad dressings, bottled (opened) - 3 months (Refrigerate after opening) Salad dressings, made from mix - 2 weeks (Refrigerate, after mixing) Salt - 24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Salt - indefinitely if stored free of moisture Sauce, Barbecue - 12 months Sauce, Chili - 12 months Sauces, Gravies, powdered mixes (most) - 12 months Sauce, Hot sauce (commercial) - 24 months Sauces, powdered mixes (most) - 12 months Sauce, Salsa (commercial) (unopened) - 12-18 months Sauces, Sloppy Joe Sauces - 24 months Sauces (steak, etc.) - 24 months (stored unpacked in cool, dry place) Sauce, Tabasco Sauce, McIInenny - 5 years Sauce, Worcesterhire (commercial) - 24 months Sherbet (frozen) - 1-2 months Shortenings, solid - 8 months Shortening, Crisco, Proctor & Gamble - Indefinite 1-800-543-7276 Shortening, Crisco - indefinitely (in original container) Shortening, Powdered - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Soup Base, Tone - 10 years Soup, Bear Creek - 36 months (435) 654-2660 Soup Broth, Chicken Broth, Swanson - 18 months Soup, Campbell - 18-24 months 1-800-871-0988 Soup, canned - 3+ years Soup, Country Kitchen - 36 months Soup, Progresso - 36 months 1-800-200-9377 Soup Mix, Chicken Noodle, Bear Creek - 18 months Soup mix (dry) (most) - 12 months Soup Mix, dry - 5 years (in Mylar pouch) Spaghetti Sauces - 24 months Spices - 24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Spices, ground - 6 months (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Spices, whole - 12-24 months (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Spice, Cinnamon sticks, whole - 24 months+ (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Spice, Cloves, whole - 24 months+ (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Spice, Nutmeg, whole - 24 months+ (in airtight container in dry place away from sunlight and heat) Stew, Beef, Dinty Moore - 24-36 months 1-800-523-4635 (some sources say indefinitely in original container) Sugar - 24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Sugar - indefinitely if stored free of moisture Sugar, Brown - 4-18 months Sugar, Confectioners - 18-48 months Sugar, Granulated – 24-48 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Sugar, Granulated - 20+ years (in Mylar pouch) Sweetener, Artificial - 24 months Syrups - 12 months (Refrigerate, after opening) Tapioca - 12 months (stored unopened in cool, dry place) Toaster pastries - 2-3 months (Keep in airtight package) TVP (Textured Vegetable Protein) Meat substitute (bacon bits) - 4 months (Keep tightly closed) TVP, unflavored - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Vanilla Extract (opened) - 12-18 months Vanilla Extract (unopened) - 24 months Vegetables, Beets, fresh (ventilated box @ 32° F. moist pit or cellar) - 6 months Vegetables, Cabbage, fresh (ventilated box @ 32° F. mod. moist pit/cellar) - 6 months Vegetables, canned - 24-48 months (unopened) Vegetables, Canned veggies original container @ 70° F. dry basement) - 2 years Vegetables, can, Bush Beans Brand - 26 months Vegetables, can, Del Monte - 24 months Vegetables, can, Green Giant - 24 months Vegetables, can, Progresso - 24 months Vegetables, Carrots, fresh (ventilated boxes/bags @ 32° F. moist pit or cellar) - 6 months Vegetables, Carrots, dehydrated - 10 years (in Mylar pouch) Vegetables, Corn, canned – 24–36 months Vegetables, Corn, can, Green Giant - 36 months Vegetables, Corn, can (whole & creamed), Del Monte - 24 months 1-800-543-3090 Vegetables, Dark green, fresh (flexible package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 7 days Vegetables, Dehydrated veggies (air/moisture proof @ 70° F. dry basement) - 8 months Vegetables, Dehydrated - 8-12 (at room temperature sealed without oxygen) Vegetables, dehydrated flakes - 6 months Vegetables, Green Beans, Del Monte - 24-30 months 1-800-543-3090 Vegetables, Hominy - 12 months Vegetables, Libby's - 36 months+ 1-888-884-7269 Vegetables, misc. fresh veggies (flexible package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 1-2 weeks Vegetables, Onions, dry - 2-4 weeks (Keep in cool, dry, ventilated area.) Vegetables, Onions, dehydrated - 8 years (in Mylar pouch) Vegetables, Onions, fresh, dry (net bag @ 32° F. cool, dry area) - 6 months Vegetables, Peas, dry - 12-24 months (indefinitely resealed in a food grade container w/oxygen absorber or vacuum sealed in a food grade bag) Vegetables, Peas, dry - 8+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Vegetables, Pillsbury - 24 months 1-800-328-6787 Vegetables, Potato, canned (original container 70° F. dry basement) - 30 months Vegetables, Potato, dehydrated (original package @ 70° F. dry basement) -30 months Vegetables, Potato Flakes - 3+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Vegetables, Potatoes, fresh – 4 weeks (Keep dry and away from sun. Keep about 50 degrees for longer storage.) Vegetables, Potato, fresh (ventilated boxes/bags @ 35 - 40° F. mod. moist pit/cellar) - 6 months Vegetables, Potato, frozen )original package @ 0° F. freezer) - 8 months Vegetables, Potatoes, sweet – 2 weeks (Don’t refrigerate sweet potatoes.) Vegetables, Potato, sweet, fresh (ventilated boxes/bags @ 55 - 60° F. dry) - 6 months Vegetables, Potatoes, Instant – 6-12 months Vegetables, Potatoes, Instant - 3 years (in Mylar pouch) Vegetables, Potatoes, Instant, Idahoan (in a can) - indefinitely (in original container) Vegetables, Pumpkin, fresh (ventilated box @ 55° F. mod. dry basement) - 6 months Vegetables, Squash, pumpkin - 6 months Vegetables, Squash, acorn - 6 months Vegetables, Squash, spaghetti - 6 months Vegetables, Squash, butter-nut - 6 months Vegetables, Squash, winter, fresh (ventilated box @ 55° F. mod. dry basement) - 6 months Vegetables, Tomatoes, canned – 30-36+ months (unopened) (2-3 days opened, refrigerated) Vegetables, Tomatoes, can, Crushed, Flavored Diced - 24 months Vegetables, Tomatoes, can, Diced, Wedge, Stewed, Whole - 30 months Vegetables, Tomatoes, can, No Salt Added Stewed - 18 months Vegetables, Tomatoes, fresh ripe (flexible package @ 38 - 40° F. refrigerator) - 2 weeks Vegetables, Tomatoes, green (flexible package @ 55 - 70° F. mod. dry basement) - 4 - 6 weeks Vegetables, Tomatoes, Libby's - 36 months+ 1-888-884-7269 Vegetables, Tomato Paste - 30 months Vegetables, Tomato Powder - 5+ years (in #10 can with oxygen absorber) Vegetables, Tomato Sauce - 12-24 months (unopened) (3 days opened, refrigerated) Vinegar (opened) - 12 months Vinegar (unopened) - 24 months (some sources say indefinitely in original container) Yeast - 24 months (or expiration date on package) Yeast (Fleischman's), Freshlike - 24 months 1-800-435-5300 Yeast, Fleischman’s (800) 777-4959 Date is stamped. If you use it past the stamped date, you must first "PROOF" it. Proof it by bringing ¼ cup of water to the temperature in the instructions on the back. Stir in 1 tsp. of sugar and one packet of yeast. After five minutes it should begin to bubble. At the end of 10 minutes, it should have a rounded crown of foam on it. If this happens, yeast is active. (Be sure to deduct ¼ cup of liquid from your recipe) Packaging Codes Fruit, Apples, can, Comstock - 24-36 months (800) 270-2743 CODE: On second line, first digit is plant, middle 3 are Julian day of year, next is year, then space, and military time. Fruit, Applesauce, Motts (Glass Jar) - 12 months (800) 426-4891 CODE: After WA, first number is year, second two are month, next two are day. Fruit, Prunes, Mariani (Sold at B.J.’s club) - 12 months CODE: First number is year, next three are Julian calendar. Beans, black, can, Progresso - 24 months (800) 200-9377 CODE: First letter is month, Next number is year, next letter is mfg plant, next two numbers, day of month. L7N26 = 12/16/97 Beans, can, Green Giant - 24 months (800) 998-9996 CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Beans, can, Joan of Arc - 24-36 months CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Drink Mix, powdered, Tang (sweetened only) - 24 months (800) 431-1002 CODE: 8315K = 8 is year, 315 is Julian year of 365 days, so was pkg. in Nov "98. Flour, General Mills – 18 months 1-800-328-6787 CODE: MYDDxx (Month code is A-M (skip I). A=June, B = Jul... Granola Bars, Nabisco, Snackwells - 6-8 months (800) 622-4726 CODE: First number is year, next three are day, Juice, Apple, Motts - 12 months (800) 426-4891 CODE: After WA, first number is year, second two are month, next two are day. Juice, Apple, Nat’l Fruit Product Co., Whitehouse - 24 months (800) 551-5167 CODE: First letter is plant, Next # is year, Next letter is product, Next 2 are day, then shift. Juice, Apricot, nectar (can), Nestle, Libby - 24 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day Will send info Juice, Capri Sun (in pouches) - 18 months (800) 227-7478 CODE: First digit is the year (8 = 1998). Next three digits is the day on Julian calendar Juice (Juicy Juice - most), Nestle - 14 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day Juice (Juicy Juice - Strawberry), Nestle - 8 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day Juice, Orange, canned, Bluebird - 24 months (800) 237-7805 CODE: Write words "Chainstore". Under each letter, put a number starting with 1 and ending with a 0 under the "E". This deciphers the code. If Code reads ECCHO = 1/12/98. Juice, Papaya, nectar (can), Nestle, Libby - 12 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day. Will send info Juice, Peach, nectar (can), Nestle, Libby - 24 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day. Will send info Juice, Pear, nectar (can), Nestle, Libby - 24 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day. Will send info Juice, Strawberry, nectar (can), Nestle, Libby - 6 months (800) 637-8532 CODE: First number is the year, next three are Julian calendar day. Will send info Juice, V-8, Campbell - 18 months (800) 871-0988 CODE: Stamped with expiration date. Juice, Welches (plastic bottle) - 12 months (800) 240-6870 CODE: First number is year, letter is mgt plant, next 2 numbers is day of month, next letter is month A=Jan, B=Feb, etc. Oil, Canola, American Fare (K-mart) - 12 months (800) 842-7886 CODE: First 3 digits are Julian date. Last number is year. If kept longer, might be okay, but check for odor. Code 139C8 Meat, Chili, can, Hormel, Dinty Moore - 5-8 years (800) 523-4635 CODE: Second and third number is month, next two are day, last number is year. Meat, Spam, Hormel - 5-8 years (800) 523-4635 CODE: Second and third number is month, next two are day, last number is year Meat, Tuna, can, Starkist - 4-6 years (800 ) 252-1587 CODE: Last letter on second row is year, with G= 1998, F=1997, E=1996. Three numbers before that are Julian calendar day Mixes, Baking Mixes, Jiffy - 12-24 months CODE: L8234 = 8 is year, 234 is Julian year Mixes, Baking Mixes, Krusteaz - 18-24 months CODE: AB8543 = 8 is year, 543 are month and day Mushrooms, can, Green Giant - 48 months (800) 998-9996 CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Nestle Carnation products CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Nestle Contadina products CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Oil, Canola, American Fare (K-mart) – 12 months (800) 842-7886 CODE: First 3 digits are Julian date. Last number is year. If kept longer, might be okay, but check for odor. Code 139C8 Oil – Crisco (Proctor & Gamble) – 24 months CODE: YJJJxxx Oil, Olive (Pompeian) – 24 months CODE: YMMDDx 410-276-6900 Oil – Puritan (Proctor & Gamble) – 24 months CODE: YJJJxxx Pasta, oven ready, American Beauty (Hershey) – 12 months 1-800-468-1714 CODE: YMMDDxxx Pasta, egg noodle, American Beauty (Hershey) – 24 months 1-800-468-1714 CODE: YMMDDxxx Pasta, regular, American Beauty (Hershey) – 36 months 1-800-468-1714 CODE: YMMDDxxx Pasta, canned, Chef Boyardee, International Home Foods in Ontario - 24 months CODE: B178 = 8 is year, B is month (A thru L) and 17 is day. Pasta, can - Healthy Choice - 24 months 714-680-1431 CODE: 870T4 = 8 is year, 7 is month. Pasta, Ravioli, canned, Chef Boyardee, International Home Foods in Ontario - 24 months CODE: B178 = 8 is year, B is month (A thru L) and 17 is day. Pasta Sauce (jar) Lipton, Ragu - 24 months (800) 328-7248 CODE: On first line the last four numbers are the julian day and last number is year. Peanut Butter, Skippy - 24 months CODE: First digit is month, next two the day, letter is mfg plant, and last number is year. Ready Meals, Chicken & Dumplings, can, Sweet Sue - 24 months (800) 633-3294 CODE: On 1st line - last # is year. On 2nd line - first 2 numbers is the month, next 2 are day. Ready Meals, Chicken & Noodles, can, Sweet Sue - 24 months (800) 633-3294 CODE: On 1st line - last # is year. On 2nd line - first 2 numbers is the month, next 2 are day. Shortening, Crisco, Proctor & Gamble - indefinite (Should be used within 12 months of opening) (800) 543-7276 CODE: First number is year. Next three are Julian calendar Shortening, Butter flavor Crisco, Proctor & Gamble - 18 months (Should be used within 6-12 months of opening) (800) 543-7276 CODE: First number is year. Next three are Julian calendar Soup - Campbell - 18-24 months (800) 871-0988 CODE: Stamped with expiration date. Soup, can - Healthy Choice - 24 months 714-680-1431 CODE: 870T4 = 8 is year, 7 is month. Soup, can, Progresso - 36 months (800) 200-9377 CODE: First letter is month, Next number is year, next letter is mfg plant, next two numbers, day of month. L7N26 = 12/16/97 Stew, can, Hormel, Dinty Moore - 5-8 years (800) 523-4635 CODE: Second and third number is month, next two are day, last number is year. Vegetables, can, Del Monte - 24 months (800) 543-3090 CODE: First number is year, next is Julian calendar day Vegetables, Green Beans, Canned Cut, Food Club - 24 months (847) 676-3030 CODE: 29681721 = 8 is year, 9 is month, 6 is day Vegetables, can, Libby - 24 months (315) 926-3225 call collect CODE: 2nd dig is year, first letter is month, third dig is plant. Next 2 numbers is day of month Vegetables, Corn, can, Green Giant - 36 months (800) 998-9996 CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Vegetables, Corn, Canned whole kernal, Food Club - 24 months (847) 676-3030 CODE: 48318 = last 8 is year, first 8 is month, 31 is day Vegetables, Kraut, can, Libby - 18 months (315) 926-3225 call collect CODE: 2nd dig is year, first letter is month, third dig is plant. Next 2 numbers is day of month Vegetables, Peas, can, Green Giant - 36 months (800) 998-9996 CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Vegetables, Potatoes, Instant, Hungry Jack - 18 months CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year Vegetables, Potatoes, instant, Idaho Spuds, Pillsbury - 18 months (800) 767-4466 CODE: C8M16 = C is month (A thru L), 8 is year. Yeast, Fleischman’s (800) 777-4959 CODE: Date is stamped. If you use it past the stamped date, you must first "PROOF" it. Proof it by bringing ¼ cup of water to the temperature in the instructions on the back. Stir in 1 tsp of sugar and one packet of yeast. After five minutes it should begin to bubble. At the end of 10 minutes, it should have a rounded crown of foam on it. If this happens, yeast is active. (Be sure to deduct ¼ cup of liquid from your recipe) Misc. Date Code Info: Del Monte: 1st is Year, next is Day (Julian calendar which means "238" would be the 238th day of year) Libby's: YMDDx Y: 1 or A = 96 2 or B = 97 3 or C = 98 4 or D = 99 M: 1-9 = Jan - Sept O = Oct N = Nov D = Dec Nestle Carnation products = CODE: First letter is year, next is month, then year CODE DEFINITIONS: Y=Year Packaged MM or M= Month Packaged (if only one M then 1-9 = Jan-Sep, A = Oct, B = Nov, C = Dec unless otherwise noted) DD=Day Packaged JJJ=Julian Day Packaged (Jan 1 = 001, Dec 31 = 365 or 366) X= letter or number not significant to product shelf life Julian calendar - a calendar introduced in Rome in 46 B.C. establishing the 12-month year of 365 days with each fourth year having 366 days and the months each having 31 or 30 days except for February, which has 28, or in leap years 29 days. Julian date: 1. The sequential day count reckoned consecutively beginning January 1, 4713 B.C. Note: The Julian date on January 1, 1990, was 2,446,892. 2. The sequential day count of the days of a year, reckoned consecutively from the first day of January. The Julian date is the number of days that have passed since noon on January 1st, 4713 B.C. Julian days begin and end at noon, instead of midnight. By subtracting the Julian dates for two actual dates, you can get the number of days between those dates. Notes: 1. Note: Noon is actually 12:00 PM. Midnight is 12:00 AM on the day that is just starting. For example, the midnight between January 1st and January 2nd is actually 12:00 AM January 2nd. 2. In modern times, the definition of Julian date has been corrupted to use the first day of the year as the point of reference. To avoid ambiguity with the traditional meaning, "day of year" rather than "Julian date" should be used for this purpose. Shelflife of Sprouting Seeds Adzuki - 3 Years Alfalfa - 2 Years Almond - 4 Years Arugula - 4 Years Barley (hulled) - 18 Months Basil - 3 Years Black Turtle Bean - 4 Years Broccoli - 4 Years Buckwheat, in hull - 2 Years Buckwheat, hulled (Groats) - 2 Years Cabbage, Generic - 4 Years Cabbage, Green (Early Jersey Wakefield) - 4 Years Cabbage, Red - 4 Years Cauliflower, Snowball - 4 Years Celery - 5 Years Clover, Crimson - 2 Years Clover, Red - 2 Years Cress, Curly - 4 Years Dill - 3 Years Fennel (leaf) - 3 Years Fenugreek - 3 Years Flax, Brown - 2 Years Flax, Golden - 2 Years Garbanzo, Beige - 3 Years Garbanzo, Black - 3 Years Garbanzo, Brown - 3 Years Garlic (Chive) - 18 Months Hemp Seed - 3 Years Kale, Red Russian - 4 Years Kamut® - 18 Months Leek - 18 Months Lentil, Black - 5 Years Lentil, Crimson - 5 Years Lentil, French (blue) - 5 Years Lentil, Green (regular) - 5 Years Lentil, Green (small) - 5 Years Lentil, Red (in hull) - 5 Years Lentil, Red (hulled) - 5 Years Millet - 2 Years Mizuna - 4 Years Mung Bean - 2 Years Mustard, Oriental (yellow) - 4 Years Oats, in hull - 2 Years Oats, hulless - 18 Months Onion - 18 Months Pea, Bill Jump (small speckled) - 4 Years Pea, Bounty (sweet shelling) - 4 Years Pea, Green - 4 Years Pea, Snow - 4 Years Pea, Sweet Shoot (speckled) - 4 Years Pea, Yellow - 4 Years Peanut, Valencia - 5 Years Pinto Bean - 4 Years Popcorn, Red - 8 years Popcorn, White - 8 years Pumpkin, Naked Seed - 3 Years Quinoa - 3 Years Radish, China Rose - 4 Years Radish, Daikon - 4 Years Radish, Oil Seed (generic) - 4 Years Rice, Brown (short grain) - 2 Years Rye - 18 Months Sesame - 2 Years Soy Bean - 4 Years Spelt - 18 Months Sunflower, Black Oil (in hull) - 18 Months Sunflower, hulled - 2 Years Tatsoi - 4 Years Triticale - 2 Years Wheat, Hard Red Winter - 2 Years The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not the mineral rights!
One Crude Dude	Use By Dates and Discretion	#11	[-]
Member Posts: 3240 Nov 28 11 7:01 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	You gots to eat what you have before it goes bad. OCD Use By Dates and Discretion The good news is that there's a pretty straightforward solution to all this confusion and waste. It's a system called "closed dating," which uses a code to communicate information on product freshness to stores for stocking and shelving purposes without Read Full Story
Black Blade.downstreamventures	Oath Keepers Alert: Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility	#12	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Dec 9 11 12:46 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Oath Keepers Alert: Federal Agents Demand Customer Lists From Mormon Food Storage Facility Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Later Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons. This incident was confirmed by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand's report: "A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information. This event points to a new level of federal government encroachment on the basic freedoms of the American people. Likewise, it points to a confused policy within federal agencies. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) recommends that citizens store emergency supplies, including bulk food, in the event of a natural disaster or man-made event (the new politically correct term applied to a terrorist attack). The FEMA guidance is spot-on as it allows individuals and families to be self-sufficient during an emergency situation. And here in Tennessee, we just learned that Nashville Metro Public Health and the Tennessee Department of Health are conducting "door-to-door assessment of disaster preparedness ... using a tool designed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go door to door and check to see how disaster ready you are. .. in 30 neighborhoods in Davidson County [TN] that have been randomly selected to be the target of a door to door assessment." I have confirmed that that is a state run effort. So on the one hand, government agencies both state and federal are urging you to be prepared and even checking up on you to see how prepared you are, and on the other hand, we now have federal agencies that are attempting to gather information on individuals that are following FEMA suggestions. What is the reasoning behind gathering this information? Are American citizens now being "listed" by DHS if they are simply following FEMA guidance and purchasing bulk food and emergency supplies for their families? It appears as so. This should be a red flag to all Americans. Not unlike the "trip wires" identified in the Oath Keepers list of orders that will not be obeyed, this incident should be considered as further evidence that our federal government is out of control. What business is it of the government if any of us purchase and store bulk food? Answer: It is none of their damn business! Maybe during the next Katrina-type event federal agents will storm your home to take your food stores along with your firearms. We can only theorize as to the motives of the government for this type of "list" being developed, but it goes against the very fabric of what a free people should allow by our government." - Rand Cardwell. Additional comments by Stewart Rhodes, Founder of Oath Keepers: As Rand noted, it was fortunate that this particular cannery does not keep records of its customers. And Rand is correct that this is a very serious red flag. There's a very good reason why one of the top ten orders that active duty Oath Keepers will refuse to obey is "We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies." As our Declaration of Orders We Will Not Obey goes on to state: "Deprivation of food has long been a weapon of war and oppression, with millions intentionally starved to death by fascist and communist governments in the 20th Century alone. Accordingly, we will not obey or facilitate orders to confiscate food and other essential supplies from the people, and we will consider all those who issue or carry out such orders to be the enemies of the people." If those who carry out such orders to confiscate food are enemies of the people, then that same label also fits anyone in the government compiling lists of Americans who store food. There is no legitimate reason for the Department of Homeland Security to compile such lists. Al Qaida suicide bombers are not known to store powdered milk and buckets of wheat. Nor are they known to store away dehydrated carrots and instant potatoes, or fruit punch mix for the kids. But the Mormons are known to do so, and so are many other Americans who have the common sense and maturity to take personal responsibility for ensuring that their families will have food, come what may. It is part of Mormon Church religious doctrine to store food for hard times and emergencies, with a recommendation that each family store a year's worth of basic dry goods along with three months worth of store-bought canned and boxed foods. To facilitate that practice, the Mormon Church runs its own food storage canneries selling powdered milk, wheat, flour, rice and beans, sugar, salt, and various other dry goods either in bulk 50 lb bags or in #10 cans for long term food storage (up to 30 years for some items). These Church canneries also often sell food storage items to non-church members, seeing it as both morally right and prudent to help their neighbors store food, whatever their faith. The cannery in Tennessee that was "visited" by federal agents follows that practice of helping the general public become better prepared. So why do federal agents want to know who is storing away long-term food storage? We suspect it is for the following reasons: DHS/FEMA wants to know which Americans have food storage so the federal government can at some future point confiscate that food. Just as with lists of gun owners, compiling such lists is the first step toward future confiscation. DHS wants to identify those Americans who are "switched on" and squared away enough to actually store food for coming hard times (such as during an economic collapse). That population of awake, aware, and prepared Americans poses a "threat" to whatever DHS and its masters have in store for the American people, and as Joseph Stalin so ably demonstrated, one of the easiest ways to subjugate defiant people is to confiscate their food and starve them into submission. http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/forum/topics/oath-keepers-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from?xg_source=activity Black Blade: "Cash and Carry" if you can - leave no paper trail and hide your goods and material wealth.
Black Blade.downstreamventures	THIS STORY HAS BEEN PULLED.	#13	[-]
Member Posts: 6405 Dec 12 11 8:49 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	THIS STORY HAS BEEN PULLED. We have pulled this story about the Mormon cannery being visited by federal agents because the source of the information at the cannery is now denying that he ever told us that event occurred. From now on, we will NOT post any such story based on what we are told by other people unless, and until, they are willing to go on video or at least on an audio recording with their info. That way, in case someone starts to crumble under the public attention or other pressures, and wants to deny what they told us, we have video or audio proof. We get all kinds of scary intel, all the time, and we rarely pass it on because we don’t have confirming documentation. In this case, we were relying on a confirmed eye witness who is now denying it. We will not do that again without a recording. We still welcome such tips, but unless you are willing to go on recorded record, using your name, we will not pass it on to the public, but will instead use it only for our own knowledge and internal analysis among our leadership with the caveat that it is not for public dissemination. Otherwise, we risk having people flake on what they told us, and that makes us look bad. People who send us information often times don’t realize the kind of public attention they may wind up experiencing, or the kinds of pressures they may come under behind the scenes. Another consideration is the real possibility that a person could be threatened with prosecution under the USA PATRIOT ACT of 2001 for making public the fact that they were contacted by Federal agents demanding private records. We need witnesses to be willing to go on recording right up front so they cannot later recant. We will always respect the privacy and anonymity of sources, as we have done in this case, but will simply not run such stories in the future without video proof AND someone who is willing to be identified in the story. Anonymous tips will be used only for internal analysis. NO SUCH STORY WILL BE POSTED ON THIS SITE AGAIN WITHOUT VIDEO OR AUDIO OF THE EYE WITNESS(S) SO WE CAN PROVE THEY TOLD IT TO US -No matter how urgent or important the information. As far as we are concerned, without such a recording, we will not consider it a real source, but just scuttlebutt. Thus, now that we no longer have an eye witness willing to stick with his story, we no longer have a story we feel comfortable having on our site and we have pulled this story so we are not accused of still disseminating it. Thank you, Oath Keepers http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/09/1oath-keepers-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-mormon-food-storage-facility/
JustamereBear		#14	[-]
Member Posts: 32 Mar 4 12 1:26 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	A quick comment Storage time may often be very enhanced by the use of nitrogen. For example, flour contains a B vitamin that turns rancid when exposed to oxygen thus making the flour unfit for consumption. Stick a wand of nitrogen into the bottom of of your bag or bucket and pour the flour in slowly. The nitrogen, being the same weight as the air, displaces the oxygen bearing air and once the container is sealed, tends not to migrate. If your container is well sealed, you can get a near indefinite shelf life as opposed to the normal 2 year max. J'Bear
mancovaldez	Home version of nitrogen pack is to use CO2	#15	[-]
Member Posts: 14262 Mar 4 12 7:19 AM Moderator Extraordinaire Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	JustamereBear wrote: A quick comment Storage time may often be very enhanced by the use of nitrogen. For example, flour contains a B vitamin that turns rancid when exposed to oxygen thus making the flour unfit for consumption. Stick a wand of nitrogen into the bottom of of your bag or bucket and pour the flour in slowly. The nitrogen, being the same weight as the air, displaces the oxygen bearing air and once the container is sealed, tends not to migrate. If your container is well sealed, you can get a near indefinite shelf life as opposed to the normal 2 year max. J'Bear One simple method is to spread the grain out on cookie sheets and dry in a very low oven (150 degrees) for about 30 minutes. You don't want to cook the grain, just dry it out and kill any insect eggs that might be present. After the grain has cooled, place 1/4 of a sheet of dry ice (1/4 pound) in the bottom of a food grade, sealable plastic 5 gallon container and fill 3/4 full with grain. Set a packet of Silica-Gel desiccant (to absorb moisture) on top of the grain and set the lid in place, but do not seal it. Some people like to place a couple of dried Bay Leaves in the container at this time also. In about 2 hours you can usually seal the container. The dry ice will turn into CO 2 gas and displace the oxygen in the container. This process should be done in some place out of the wind, so that the CO 2 gas, which is heavier than air, stays in the container. If you seal the lid too soon, the lid could blow off or the container might rupture. This is the "Home Canning" version of "nitrogen packing." Wal-Mart is one place to find inexpensive silica-Gel. Look in the flower section, because people use it to dry flowers. Silica-gel is not edible, so don't let it mix with the food. I have found that coffee filters work well to make containers for the Silica-gel. One coffee filter with as much silica-gel as it will hold and still tie off, is about right for a 5 gallon container of food. The container for the silica-gel must not be plastic, because it needs to be able to absorb moisture to work. If the Silica Gel has already absorbed moisture, it can be dried in a low oven, as mentioned above and will then be reusable. Your 5 gallon food container would now have had most of the Oxygen removed, and should stay dry. Also, any insect eggs should have been (hopefully) killed. Once the container is sealed, the food should keep safely for up to 5 years. If possible, use new food grade, plastic containers. But those thrown away by restaurants and fast food places can usually be cleaned and used. Never store food or water in a plastic container unless you know what was preciously stored in it. Toxic chemicals can be absorbed by the plastic and cleaning won't remove them. Use soap and hot water, followed by a bleach solution to clean used food containers. Of course the containers must be dry before storage. Some people like to place their food in a plastic or paper bag, inside of the food container. It may not be a good idea to use trash bags for this, because some of them may contain insecticides. A good place to buy bulk grains cheaply may be at your local livestock feed store. We recently bought 100 lbs. of corn meal for $8.50 at our local feed store. Other grains are also usually available, including Soy, Wheat, Wheat Bran, Oats, Whole Corn, etc. Unless your storage plan includes a hand powered grain grinder, it may make little sense to store a lot of whole grains. Soy beans and Chick Peas, can be roasted in the oven, until dark brown, like coffee beans, and then ground, for a pretty good coffee substitute. We like to mix this with 1/3 real coffee, but it is really not too bad all by itself. We use the square metal grain cans that have a resealable lid. The problem for not using nitrogen or carbon dioxide is we get weevils and earwigs in our bulk grain. This method kills the eggs. Sounds gross but all grains have some insect eggs or larvae on them. The USDA has standards with maximum allowable contaminants including bug parts. That's true of all foods. The preservation methods are so these bugs are killed and the eggs don't hatch once they are stored. Manco
JustamereBear		#16	[-]
Member Posts: 32 Mar 4 12 8:15 AM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	Water filters and Manco Manco You're 100% correct. By and large storing grains unground is the way to go. I am storing mine in blue plastic barrels lined with food grade plastic sacks. As well, for some reason most people won't look at "animal food" I am just in the process of trying something. The old stone grinding wheels. It is true that metal burrs are far superior but I can't guarentee I will have the power to run the larger ones since I am way off grid. And the country living and smaller grinders are so mickey mouse. I have ordered two 24inch diameter wheels cut by my local monument maker. ($250+tax and whatever repairs are needed for my car to transport them. Grin) We will see what happens. Water filters I have found how to make ceramic water filters. They usually use rice husks, ground to 4 mil size. (Your common green garbage bag is 3 mils thick) My one experiment leads me to believe that it is in a ratio of about one volume of husks to one voloume of clay. Most clays you find that you can pot with will do. It has be mixed really well. You really need a good pug mill. You would be weeks mixing it by hand. Those husks have to be EVENLY distributed bthroughout the clay. Then you form your filter shape. Cook to 1650 degrees F (cone 5 or 6, I forget. We use thermometers today more than cones.) Done At about 400 degrees or just plus the rice husks burn out producing a volume of gas which makes nanometer sized cracks in the clay while it is still relatively soft. Later it cooks to brittle. With a 12 inch head of water you should just get a coherant flow of water from the filter. Less and probably you don't have enough rice husks (My problem with my experiment.) More, and if I were an amateur, I would suspect my filter was not constructed correctly (had a construction crack) or I hadn't mixed it well, or I had too much rice husk. (in that order) Most of my experience has been with glass which is similar chemistry but higher temperatures. Voila, a big berkley filter. J'Bear
Dennis Erectus	After Only a Few Short Days Without Food, Human Behevior Turns Ugly	#17	[-]
Member Posts: 13371 Jul 8 12 11:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	After Only a Few Short Days Without Food, Human Behevior Turns Ugly In the 1950s, the Pentagon conducted a study to find out what people would do at different stages of starvation. What they discovered was shocking. After just 10 days without food, 90% of people will steal, pillage and kill for food. But after a mere 15 days, almost all human beings become cannibal... ready, willing, and... Even Eager to Eat Their Neighbors! Nasty stuff right? But at this moment, you are probably quite full. Or, at the very least, you know that your last meal was less than 6 hours ago. But think about it, in a long-term food shortage, you may not eat for days, possibly weeks. After just one week without food, hunger will be gnawing away at a person's stomach like a lab rat... fear will be stalking his mind like a serial killer. But after two weeks, desperation sets in, making people do truly crazy things. Things like theft, murder and yes... even cannibalism. http://gardeningtosurvive.blogspot.com/2012/04/after-only-few-short-days-without-food.html The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not the mineral rights!
Dennis Erectus	LDS Cannery?	#18	[-]
Member Posts: 13371 Aug 23 12 12:15 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	LDS Cannery as a source? I visited one in Idaho Falls, Idaho while on business a while back and my friends showed me where they added bulk grains and some wetpack goods. Unfortunately they were closed when we went by - maybe some other time I can get a look inside. The wetpack section just shutdown thanks to complaints by food and supermarket chains who can't compete on price since the LDS is a nonprofit. Idaho Falls Cannery View from east and view from west) The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not the mineral rights!
One Crude Dude	Visits to a LDS Cannery	#19	[-]
Member Posts: 3240 Nov 9 12 9:47 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	I think the LDS are busy taking food to survivors of Sandy here in the east. Theres two canneries near me amd maybe me, the wfie and kids go can up some food. OCD Visits to a LDS Cannery The canneries are also referred to as Home Storage Centers. I have to say up front, I have heard that different canneries may differ in policy regarding non-Mormons using their facilities, but I had the most wonderful experience in Reno with the good people of their cannery. God bless them for welcoming me with open arms. Let me explain briefly the “summer vacation” comment. My husband and I were planning to build a home on some property nearby, had sold our big city home and moved to the Reno area. Then we found out the neighbor was a major liability and for other reasons as well thought perhaps we had not chosen so well for a retreat in the mountains. After spending the summer trying to make an impossible situation work, we decided to move on and put the property up for sale. I have always believed in the “Invisible Hand” as George Washington called it, (thanks, Glenn Beck) and our temporary misery had a purpose: to move us on to where we have a better retreat and to give us the time and resources to build our food stores. My connection with the Mormons was a beautiful light this summer when everything else felt so rotten and disappointing. Read Full Story
One Crude Dude	New Food Storage Ebook Free To DPers, Limited Time, Deep Knowledge.	#20	[-]
Member Posts: 3240 Feb 7 13 7:10 PM Reply Quote More My Recent Posts	This might interest some people here. OCD New Food Storage Ebook Free To DPers, Limited Time, Deep Knowledge. Submitted by Smudge Pot on Thu, 02/07/2013 - 00:27 in Books DP Original Hidden Harvest: Long Term Food Storage Food Storage for Rich and Poor. started as a meeting and the meeting turned into a recitation of 3 generations worth of knowledge so it inevitably turned into a story and the story turned into notes. It was in fact a collection of stories. Because it was felt that some of this information needed to be available to the public (and because it was easy) those notes turned into a web site and the story could have pretty much ended there. But there's only so much you can fit in one story, or one part of a story so this one needs to live so the rest can come along after. Hidden Harvest: Long Term Food Storage Food Storage for Rich and Poor. is part story, part how-to book and part reference book. If you read it front to back you will be more expert in the subject of long term food storage than most lay persons and hopefully some of the mentality that goes with it. And the poorer you are the more you might appreciate it. I hope you'll give it a read, it's not that long, and I hope you will tell me what you think of it. And I hope you will write me positive reviews and like it and tweet it and whatever it is you kids do with things these days. THE DEAL HAS CHANGED A BIT, now instead of a PDF copy I send you a link to a place where you can download many different formats for your various devices, you can download as many as you want. PM ME FOR YOUR FREE COPY. THIS OFFER STILLS STANDS. PUT THE WORDS "DPer BOOK REQUEST" IN YOUR SUBJECT LINE. Or email info (at) LongTermStorageFood (dot) com. Available on Amazon Kindle format: Hidden Harvest: Long Term Food Storage Food Storage for Rich and Poor. Available in multiple formats on Smashwords, https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/261739 If you wanna help a brother out and buy the ebook it's only $4.00, it's 64 pages with over a dozen hand drawn illustrations and tables. Business has been a bit slow so anything helps. Yeah you know things are slow when you actually have time to write those books you always been thinking about. Also it looks like the mods linked the Amazon thing so that THE DP GETS SOME INCOME FROM THE PURCHASE which is something I'm gonna do with all the links to Amazon from now on. Thanks guys! -Smudge Read Full Story Last Edited By: One Crude Dude Feb 7 13 7:49 PM. Edited 1 times.